Getting harder to start
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Re: Getting harder to start
The what.....
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Re: Getting harder to start
Thisdave406 wrote:The what.....

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Re: Getting harder to start
Okies
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Re: Getting harder to start
Still can't believe our cars sound so different when starting
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Re: Getting harder to start
Well mine's f#$&ed, so that explains it.
.....at least yours starts.
.....at least yours starts.
2003 - 2008: 1998 Peugeot 406 2.1 TD 110bhp LX Saloon
2008 - 2009: 2004 Honda Accord 2.2 CDTI 136bhp Executive Saloon
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Re: Getting harder to start
Have any trouble this evening
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Re: Getting harder to start
That's better, thanks

Whuh? It's dead?Captain Jack wrote:Well mine's f#$&ed, so that explains it.
.....at least yours starts.
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Re: Getting harder to start
No, still alive - though took a good few turns this morning at +7C to get it going. Obviously, it will be fine for the rest of the day.steve_earwig wrote:Whuh? It's dead?
PP2000 is out for delivery now, but I won't be home till late tonight so won't play with it till tomorrow morning.
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Re: Getting harder to start
Ah. I thought for a moment there that the problem had manifested itself in a more apparent manner (as my dad would say) so you'd be looking for a definite fault, rather than suspecting everything.
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Re: Getting harder to start
Can you frig it up to give you live data whilst cranking tomorrow morning? as I think this is what you'd need to see.Captain Jack wrote: so won't play with it till tomorrow morning.
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Re: Getting harder to start
Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking. Cranking it now won't tell me anything as it will start within a few turns.Welly wrote:Can you frig it up to give you live data whilst cranking tomorrow morning? as I think this is what you'd need to see.
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Re: Getting harder to start
Ooooookay - got PP2000 yesterday and got it installed after some helpful YouTube guides. Why can't sellers supply proper instructions?!
Anyway... connected to the car and read the ECU. Result: no faults found
Balls. I was really hoping it would tell me something.
So then went to live parameters thing and started cranking the engine from cold. Chug-chug-chug-chug.. not starting. RPM was reading between 160 and 200-something and fuel pressure - zero. Now, as it was the first time with live measurements, I wasn't sure whether it's a communication fault or there really was no fuel pressure at all. After 10 seconds of cranking - it burst into life. Fuel pressure - 298 bars. Hmm...
I made a recording of the live parameters but this after the engine started the first time. So, it's a bit moot but ... I'd like an opinion on injector readings at 1 minute into the video. Injector 1 seems to be correcting up to around 2 mm/stroke whereas others are -0.something. Could it be that a leaky injector is leaking too much fuel back to the tank during cranking and not building up pressure? Hence quite a bit of cranking is required in the morning when the battery is rotating the starter somewhat lazier to build up pressure?
Happily, I have a spare injector lying in the garage somewhere that I bought when I was trying to sort out my rattle issues, so I could replace it just to see. I guess I should do a leak-off test but it's bloody miserable and cold outside and I have no desire to do this today. Monday/Tuesday will be my first opportunity to do this. In the meantime, would sticking some injector cleaner in the tank/fuel filter be worth trying?
Let's hope the injector isn't seized in the head, eh?
Edit - added video:
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Anyway... connected to the car and read the ECU. Result: no faults found

So then went to live parameters thing and started cranking the engine from cold. Chug-chug-chug-chug.. not starting. RPM was reading between 160 and 200-something and fuel pressure - zero. Now, as it was the first time with live measurements, I wasn't sure whether it's a communication fault or there really was no fuel pressure at all. After 10 seconds of cranking - it burst into life. Fuel pressure - 298 bars. Hmm...
I made a recording of the live parameters but this after the engine started the first time. So, it's a bit moot but ... I'd like an opinion on injector readings at 1 minute into the video. Injector 1 seems to be correcting up to around 2 mm/stroke whereas others are -0.something. Could it be that a leaky injector is leaking too much fuel back to the tank during cranking and not building up pressure? Hence quite a bit of cranking is required in the morning when the battery is rotating the starter somewhat lazier to build up pressure?
Happily, I have a spare injector lying in the garage somewhere that I bought when I was trying to sort out my rattle issues, so I could replace it just to see. I guess I should do a leak-off test but it's bloody miserable and cold outside and I have no desire to do this today. Monday/Tuesday will be my first opportunity to do this. In the meantime, would sticking some injector cleaner in the tank/fuel filter be worth trying?
Let's hope the injector isn't seized in the head, eh?

Edit - added video:
eyPt3713J98
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2003 - 2008: 1998 Peugeot 406 2.1 TD 110bhp LX Saloon
2008 - 2009: 2004 Honda Accord 2.2 CDTI 136bhp Executive Saloon
2009 - 2013: 2002 Peugeot 406 2.0 HDI 110bhp Executive Saloon
2013 - 2021: 2007 Peugeot 407 2.2 HDI 170bhp Executive Saloon (mapped to 213bhp
)
2021 - ????: 2016 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCi 180bhp Titanium
2008 - 2009: 2004 Honda Accord 2.2 CDTI 136bhp Executive Saloon
2009 - 2013: 2002 Peugeot 406 2.0 HDI 110bhp Executive Saloon
2013 - 2021: 2007 Peugeot 407 2.2 HDI 170bhp Executive Saloon (mapped to 213bhp

2021 - ????: 2016 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCi 180bhp Titanium
Re: Getting harder to start
I hope it goes well mate my pp2000 is going back
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Re: Getting harder to start
Yes, Chris, not sure why your PP2000 wouldn't read the ECU. Once I installed PP2000 and Lexia software, it had no problems.
I would try reinstalling the drivers/software... maybe something didn't get installed correctly?
I would try reinstalling the drivers/software... maybe something didn't get installed correctly?
2003 - 2008: 1998 Peugeot 406 2.1 TD 110bhp LX Saloon
2008 - 2009: 2004 Honda Accord 2.2 CDTI 136bhp Executive Saloon
2009 - 2013: 2002 Peugeot 406 2.0 HDI 110bhp Executive Saloon
2013 - 2021: 2007 Peugeot 407 2.2 HDI 170bhp Executive Saloon (mapped to 213bhp
)
2021 - ????: 2016 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCi 180bhp Titanium
2008 - 2009: 2004 Honda Accord 2.2 CDTI 136bhp Executive Saloon
2009 - 2013: 2002 Peugeot 406 2.0 HDI 110bhp Executive Saloon
2013 - 2021: 2007 Peugeot 407 2.2 HDI 170bhp Executive Saloon (mapped to 213bhp

2021 - ????: 2016 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCi 180bhp Titanium