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Hi
I am selling my Peugeot 406 Turbo Executive Estate; 1998, Green, Manual gearbox, Tan Leather Interior, Electric + Hot bot seats, Power Windows, Tape/ Radio with CD changer in boot as well as all the usual goodies.
It is in a good condition for age but does have a few scratches and marks.
New callipers etc fitted at last MOT.
Requires new clutch and ball joints (new ones supplied).
MOT till May.
Much loved :oops: . Only selling it as I don’t have the space to do the clutch and cannot afford the garage prices.
£550 ono
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That's a shame, be careful though as I don't think you'll see £500.00 out of it with the clutch needing doing, sorry but I think £200.00 is more likely as a 'fixer' car. I say this because I think you'd be better actually getting the clutch fixed and using the car for as long as possible in return. That particular model is famous for being very reliable in general, certainly not a money pit and if you like the thing in general it's worth keeping surely.
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Thanks for the advice, I would agree with you but the local garage quoted me 7 hours at £35 an hour. Is it such a bitch to replace? Or do you or anyone know where I can get it fixed?
I am a bit isolated down here in clotted cream country. I really don't want to get rid of the tubbie caus one of my grandkids was born in the back. And yes I was the midwife!
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It is roughly a 7 hr job to be fair, lots of things have to be removed to gain access to the clutch including the gearbox, drive shaft, sub frame etc.

£35.00 per hour is a bargain to be honest and £245.00 plus parts would get you another few years motoring if the car in otherwise ok? be worth thinking about replacing the cambelt and auxiliary belt if you're not sure of their history as if the cambelt lets go that would cost you.

All I know is that the early 406's make for pretty easy ownership overall and give very few problems. The other issue would be what you'd replace the 406 with? you might end up with something with a new list of issues lurking......
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You can remove an ML5 without dropping the whole subframe, just lowering the gearbox side.

(The 'J-Team' swapped my clutch/DMF/gearbox for a 6-speed/+ a droplink in 5.5hours). 8)

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Not for sale!!
Bit more help!
The garage are talking about a 'clutch release guide sleeve'. Found a reference to this in Haynes but that only refers to diesels. Local dealer (50miles away) wants to see old one but I don't need the pain. garage taking it out - me to dealer - back to garage
Any ideas, part numbers, schematics?

Where are the J-Team based? Cause the seem to be the dogs bollocks when it comes down to it
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Nandad wrote:Not for sale!!
Bit more help!
The garage are talking about a 'clutch release guide sleeve'. Found a reference to this in Haynes but that only refers to diesels. Local dealer (50miles away) wants to see old one but I don't need the pain. garage taking it out - me to dealer - back to garage
Any ideas, part numbers, schematics?

Where are the J-Team based? Cause the seem to be the dogs bollocks when it comes down to it

It was myself and my mate John who did the gearbox swap on the Doggy machine.

I'm about 300 miles away from you in sunny Lancashire!
I mentioned this release sleeve previously.
You can buy the release sleeve from motor factors....it's possible you might not need it, but you won't know until the gearbox is removed.
A main dealer should be able to supply this part using your reg number!
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I was off looking when you posted John, is this the bit (A):
ML5 FMS.JPG
If so it comes with the bearings and shim pack for a woppping 101 quid. It is the same as a D9 HDi ML%T 'box. not sure about the C as there's RPO's.
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Not 100% sure, but I think the ML5T has reverse beside 4th and the 'C' is lift-for-reverse, beside 1st.

On 2.2 HDi's the changeover was around 2001. I've driven a few 'Y' reg cars with the old style gear pattern, all 02-on ones I've seen are lift-for-reverse.
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I was just checking for alternatives to getting wallet-raped at the dealer's.

Mine's the same part number but earlier ML5C's are different for some Twilight Zone reason. The sleeve could be the same throughout but I can't just look at the part number for the sleeve alone, that's why I said C's are iffy.

Yeah, I think the T has reverse by 4th but, you know, the memory fades...
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These sleeves are fairly cheap aftermarket...http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-PEUGE ... 9alhyKGtbA
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And considering you can only access it while the gearbox is off the engine (like the rest of the clutch assembly), you might as well change it whilst you're in there - because if it fails (like mine did, though thankfully not after a recent clutch change) then you're going to be unable to use the car.

The clutch failed on my 2.2 Coupe last year, as I was pulling into a hotel car park at Glasgow airport. I went to engage reverse, and there was nothing at all; the car would not go into gear, therefore it wouldn't move under its own power. I had to ask some people for help pushing it back into a parking space, and the following day, I got taken back to Aberdeen with the car on the back of an AA low-loader. Though the clutch was definitely worn (100k miles and 13.5 years on it), this sleeve was apparently the part that had ultimately failed.

The garage had to order it in separately as it was not part of the usual clutch assembly kits they buy. The clutch change job is around 6 or 7 hours worth of labour. My clutch change cost was higher than yours will be because I asked them to change the brake servo at the same time, and the part for that was expensive, and had its own labour and sundries costs involved as well. Total cost was over £900, but your clutch change should cost at least £400 less than that. £900 is ballpark for what a main dealer might charge for the clutch change job on its own using parts sold at RRP.

Really hope you get your beloved 406 back into working order. You'll find yourself surprised at how smooth the clutch pedal is once you get it back!
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As great as John is, aka jasper5 & he is very good.
I would try the guy that quoted you £35 an hour as that as I'm sure John will tell you is a very good rate.
(at least it is round my way ).
Failing that Google KrisB he's based in Dorking, Surrey & has a very good reputation
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dirtydirtydiesel wrote:As great as John is, aka jasper5 & he is very good.
I would try the guy that quoted you £35 an hour as that as I'm sure John will tell you is a very good rate.
(at least it is round my way ).
Failing that Google KrisB he's based in Dorking, Surrey & has a very good reputation
with French car's.

Yes £35 is a good rate, especially in the south!
I charge £30...though at my age and medical situation I no longer have any interest in replacing clutches or gearboxes...I'll leave that for the younger guys.
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Hi
Just got the car back, new clutch, sleeve and oil seal. Local mobile mechanic £300. Drives like a dream, But the clutch bite point is very low. Is this standard with a new clutch
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