Another tyre question,

[lozz]

Anyone had Michelin Energy tyres?

Ihad 2 put on the front of the car a month or so ago,
ever since theyve been on the car as Been noisey, More noticable when the weathers dry,
on the Motorway theres no noise, The pair of tyres ihad on the front before them where More expensive Michelins, they where noisy too
tyre place said that was because they was near the wear indicators, they wasnt tho as there was loads left on them

ive asked him again, Another fob off with oh they will be noisy till they wear in,

as anyone else noticed excesive road noise with michelin tyres?

[steve_earwig]

Energies were standard on some (most?) D9s but they stopped making them quite a while back (hint: How old are they?). I have Energy Savers, which seem to be their replacement, and I can't say they're particularly noisy.

[lozz]

Cheers steve,

oops, they are Energy savers, forgot to add that,
ihad the primacy Hps before them on the front, same noise,

[OdinEidolon]

It's pretty normal because... Michelin Energy is the worst line of tyres on the planet (apart from those unknown brands...)
Seriously, I know that you don't give a damn about tyres from other posts, I see this in UK is still a very understated problem.
But tyres and brakes are something you just cannot save on.

Those energies will always be noisy. And then after 1 year they'll be even more noisy. And continue so. And after 2 years they'll be so hard that they will not wear anymore, but on the wet they'll like to skid wherever they want...

[lozz]

odin isee your point mate,

Tbh ive just replaced the tyres with what the car was originaly fitted with from new, slightly diffent on the front, originaly michelin hp primacy not much differnce mind, the primacys where around 130 each , 90 gbp for the energys.


if ireplaced them with more expensive ones, they wouid be worth more than the car, as ive said before in other threads ican only have fitted what ican Afford,

The Michelins grip well no problems there its just the excessive noise,

[steve_earwig]

I must be going deaf

[OdinEidolon]

I had the energies e3a on the car last year when I got it.
Onlt 3 years old, plenty of thread, still they were appalling. Sufficient grip in the dry, but lots of tyre squeal and lots of noise.
Terrible, terrible grip in the wet. I know I spent a lot but I now have Goodyear Ultragrip 8 (winter) and Nokian ZG2 (summer) and I feel so much more secure. The car is more comfortable (especially with the Goodyears), less noisy, more secure, braking is much better in all conditions, much better handling (especially with the Nokians) and the feeling is greatly improved on all road surfaces.
I spent about 600£ for 8 wheels but definitely it is the best money I spent on the car. Once on emergency braking in the wet on the motorway I saw three car slid past me, I had the Goodyears and it was cold, they had crappy summer tyres. Luckily nobody got hurt but that proved me how much tyres make a difference.

[steve_earwig]

I've for no complaints about the road noise but, after "helping out" (mainly watching ) in the tyre shop I know that Michelins do not age well and I'd certainly not buy any more.

If you want noisy you should try the RAV with the Blizzaks on it - it sounds like it has caterpillar tracks...

[OdinEidolon]

I've for no complaints about the road noise but, after "helping out" (mainly watching ) in the tyre shop I know that Michelins do not age well and I'd certainly not buy any more.

If you want noisy you should try the RAV with the Blizzaks on it - it sounds like it has caterpillar tracks...

For noisy I already have a 1990 Transit campervan (2.5 liter naturally aspirated diesel)
Soooo much fun!

[lozz]

Ive done abit of looking thru stuff on the www.
theres no Mention of these Michelin tyres being Noisey, \ theres More Mention of them Reducing noise and Making the car More Economical but iguess most companys say that,

Next step me thinks, rip seats and carpet out and get some soundproofing stuff,

[OdinEidolon]

Ive done abit of looking thru stuff on the www.
theres no Mention of these Michelin tyres being Noisey, \ theres More Mention of them Reducing noise and Making the car More Economical but iguess most companys say that,

Next step me thinks, rip seats and carpet out and get some soundproofing stuff,

Yeah there's lots of false stuff written from the manifacturers. There's also another problem: tyre tests are always done on a good new tyre, recent DOT. So these energies may even perform well in tests, but then all these "eco" tyres age very very fast, become noisy, uncontrollable, crap on the wet etc. They never do tests on how well a tyre performs after two years. For that you must read forums and opinions.

This is a great place summing up all tyre tests:
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/

[steve_earwig]

One test I saw, I think it was ADAC, they were pushing the tyres past their design perimeters - high pressure, wrong weight, too fast etc. As you said, all new tyres so I've no idea what that was meant to tell anyone

Did you see this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18663023 I can't imagine anything more misleading

[OdinEidolon]

One test I saw, I think it was ADAC, they were pushing the tyres past their design perimeters - high pressure, wrong weight, too fast etc. As you said, all new tyres so I've no idea what that was meant to tell anyone

Did you see this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18663023 I can't imagine anything more misleading

Yeah sure now all tyres must have the EU label. It could be worse, better some info than nothing. 95% of the people still just go to the tyre reseller who sells them crap stuff at high prices. At least now they can see if it breaks good or not... I always choose and buy tyres online and have been VERY satisfied so far, now I also do so for friends and relatives because they saw how much they can save this way.

[steve_earwig]

I always think that different tyres suit different cars (I know for a fact that this applies to bikes) so a particular tyre may working wonderfully on one car but be fairly dangerous on another.

Btw when I was looking to buy tyres last year I was looking on the French 406 forums and they all said Michelins were merde, which I thought was rather unpatriotic, now I know better

[OdinEidolon]

Btw when I was looking to buy tyres last year I was looking on the French 406 forums and they all said Michelins were merde, which I thought was rather unpatriotic, now I know better

Well if the French say Michelin is merde, then it must be true... they are the most patriotic people on the planet