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steve_earwig wrote:Nice pic :lol: I'll have to translate it for them...

I don't remember seeing that on Autodata but it could be because I was looking for timing marks that didn't seem to exist. It's going to be sunny smiles all round if the problem was moody chains :lol: I'll tell them tomorrow :twisted:
some intersting reading here,

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?1264409

mention of there being two differnt set ups, perhaps later setup as the gold links,
irember amate of mine rebuilding one and having to go buy chains from vag just for the gold links
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I found that post yesterday, these are the oil pump sprockets:
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the notch in the inner intermediate sprocket (red arrow) that should be visible when the intermediate shaft is timed correctly
And this one of the timing marks lined up on it:
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which is completely different to what it shows in Autodata.

This had them going for a while but then they decided it wasn't the same lump and dismissed it :?
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I texted Goran, he says (rather petulantly) that they used VAG chains & there were no marks on them. Okay :supafrisk:
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*crosses-off any VR6-engined vehicles in the future*

I think you're right to replace the clutch, it would only serve to piss you off in the near future if you didn't.
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It had to be done, even driving it a couple of miles to put some petrol in it was hurting my knee :(

Hopefully it's been done as I type, it was meant to be done yesterday but they're still getting grief from the VR6 - it's back together, runs, drives but it sounds to me like it's running on 5 with an optional 6. Blipping the throttle leaves it struggling to tick over for 30 seconds, it sounds like the timing's all over the shop and the engine leaps around, then it settles down to rrrrr rrrrr rrrrrrrrrrr rrrrr again. The question now is: is it something they've done or not done right, or has something else broken like the clutch slave. I've given up asking Goran about it because all I get is a load of swearing. So far this rebuild has cost about 10,000€ in just parts, because the idiot in charge decided having it rebuilt would be cheaper than buying a reconditioned engine from VW. And my mate's garage won't be getting paid until it's finished, so they're up financial sh*t creek until it is.

Meanwhile... Yesterday the guy finally came up with the rest of the documents for the Toytractor, so we had forms to fill out and then he had to pay something like a fiver for the notary to put his little stamp on it to make it official. That done I then handed over the rest of the cash and off he went.

We then had to take all this to the tax office to find out how much purchase tax to pay. This is meant to be 5% of THEIR book price, so understandably I was a little nervous. It was better than I thought, they only have the values of two versions of this car - basic and all the goodies, so I got the price of the basic which was about 2,600Kn (305 quid). Took the bill to the bill paying place, receipt back to the tax office, job done.

This morning it was off to the cop shop to change the ownership documents (two off). Yes, back to see everyone's favourite jobsworth arsehole Jack Schitt Bauer. Two more bills to pay (I have no idea what for) both 36Kn (about 8 1/2 quid total) so I went off to pay them while the wife filled out the form (basically everything it says on the ownership documents plus some more bollocks they've dreamed up). Back to the tit head to hand over the completed form and receipts. We also had to buy more of these stupid stamps to make everything official (!) but this time I didn't have to go to a newsagent to buy them, amazingly he had some there so I had to pay him for them. He then stuck them to the form my wife had filled out and immediately franked them (honestly, you couldn't make this sh*t up but somebody obviously did!). 20 minutes of "oh, how important I am" fiddling about on the computer and we got brand spanking new documents with only my wife's name on them (how many owner's has this car had? Just the one....). Finito, it's all mine. Or rather, the wife's.

No, I don't have to go through all this bollocks when I buy a fridge here :evil: Oh, and if you think 5% is bad, apparently it's 120% in Denmark, where they all drive around in 25 year old hatchbacks :shock:
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The water pump's flucked :( The guy did say it had been replaced recently, so we were ignoring all the crud round that end of the engine but the mechanic's just gone to change the FAN belt and the new pump is some cheap and cheerful make and has already gone again. Nothing terrible, only 650Kn for a new one (about 80 quid :cry: :cry: :cry: )
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What a faff about with those pesky forms :roll:

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No, you're ok - we already have a tender little doggy to go in the oven, I've already worked out he'll take 4 hours to cook... :twisted:

So much for "I've known him for years so he won't stiff you", the water pump is ancient :roll: That was the mechanic's guess because he never actually saw it, he didn't take it to bits in case there was a problem locating a new one. It was also a pig to change 'cos there was hardly any room and the engine wouldn't go up or down enough. I was holding the lead light...

Old clutch:
Good side:
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Bad side:
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Cover:
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It didn't come out very well on any of the pictures I took but it's quite scored, with quite a high wear lip.

The new clutch is light, light, light :shock: Although it still has zero feel. The car is almost done, it just needs the brake fluid changing and the handbrake adjusting and that's the lot. I'll then be able to depress the hell out of myself by adding it all up :cry: :cry:

I also snapped this while I was staggering about with the camera:
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which is the weird slave cylinder/release bearing combo from the VR6. Speaking of which...

It still aint right! It drives fine but there's something strange going on, I even had a little go at it myself: If you rev it up hard it'll come back down and idle fine, but if you lightly increase the revs and let go it will idle like a bucket of spanners for a good few seconds and it'll either even out or die. If you rev it hard it'll clear and settle down to idle ok but if you gradually increase the revs it'll carry on running like a cement mixer (I didn't like to rev it much as it sounded like hell on toast). The diagnostic throws out a misfire on 4 cylinders, but it's not the same 4 every time.

Any ideas????? Anyone know anyone to ask??????? It's almost as though the ecu looses touch with what the engine's doing. It is drive-by-wire by the way...

I made a few suggestions but they've already tried pulling the plugs & disconnecting one sensor at a time but it told them nothing. However they did like my idea about putting a brick on the throttle and pointing it at Bosnia...
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as he checked the coilpacks leads etc.
crank sensor.
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Looks like it has pencil coils, I'm Googling away and it looks like there was a recall on earlier ones when two did three plugs each but I can't imagine how 4 coils could misbehave one moment then another 4 the next...

I gather all the sensors have been fiddled with...

I got crankcase breather valve, throttle control valve alignment (looks like that's a 12 valve though) and stuck carbon canister purge valve (here?) so far...
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steve_earwig wrote:Looks like it has pencil coils, I'm Googling away and it looks like there was a recall on earlier ones when two did three plugs each but I can't imagine how 4 coils could misbehave one moment then another 4 the next...

I gather all the sensors have been fiddled with...

I got crankcase breather valve, throttle control valve alignment (looks like that's a 12 valve though) and stuck carbon canister purge valve (here?) so far...
Pencil packs?
only seen the 2.8 vr6s and they have coilpacks, which throw awobbler when theyre fubard,

What was the original cause for the Lump to be rebuilt, ?
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That was mainly the cracked head, the rest of it wasn't far behind though.
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I'm surprised the ambulance service can afford afford to run petrol v6 engines in their ambulances, here everything is just bog standard merc diesels, and some tdi skodas for the rapid response, but i can remember the time when the ambulances were a v6 transit back in the early 90s, the engine sounded better than the sirens, but they stopped buying petrol vans because they were too sore on fuel.
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steve_earwig wrote:That was mainly the cracked head, the rest of it wasn't far behind though.
the only time ive seen the 3.2 it was in audis,
got told they are a Throw away engine, no one will touch them , to have chain done is around 2k :shock: with parts & labour, dont know if thats 100% tho.
worked for a Audi specialist for a while they never rebuilt engines to uneconomical , they just rip engine out of crashed car and put it in another,
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That was VAG's way of dealing with this one the first time the engine crapped out, they just replaced it. I think we all know why now :roll:
FarmerPug wrote:I'm surprised the ambulance service can afford afford to run petrol v6 engines in their ambulances
Funny you should say that because it was the lpg installation that put pay to this engine. That's all been ripped out now and is sitting in a big heap in the corner...
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