Oversteer - Tracking or rear links

[gumby6371]

For a while now the back end has felt quite lose going round islands and right hand bends, feels a lot more stable on left handers tho.
I'd put it down to rear links and added it to the list of jobs that need doing.
However, I have now noticed significant wear on the outside of the n/s/f tyre, would having 1 front tyre toeing in ( I mean more than usual as there supposed to toe in a little) cause the same symptoms?

[Welly]

When my saloon started getting tail-happy it was the front tyres being low on tread, new tyres fixed it straight away.

Sounds like you need a wheel alignment anyway.

[lozz]

hi gumby

grab the top of the wheel 12oclock pull it if you feel any play, top have links failed,
always check the top links with the weight of the car on its wheels not with it jacked up,

took me ages to find out the top links where knackerd on mine, even mot tester said they was ok,
because they where checked with the car raised,

[gumby6371]

Thanks for the info gents, I'll check for play on the rear wheels later. Clearly I need wheel alignment at the front and hopefully no work on the rears - fingers crossed

[dummysock]

Hi

Since you can track all 4 wheels on the 406 ( It cost me £ 40 recently ), I would suggest that you change the rear droplinks ( £20 or cheaper on the bay of e ) first anyway.
Then get all 4 wheels tracked

[ally406]

Don't worry, rear drop links won't affect the rear track But it might be a good idea just to do them while you're in there anyway....

On mine, it was the lower rose joint bushes. Felt like it had rear steering or something Pray it isn't that, as the job is a bit of a bitch! Use Motaquip or other reputable parts where you can, they're very good quality and reasonably priced on ebay. Generic pattern parts like drop links and suspension bushes are often of poor quality, then you're out there doing the same job again before you know it.

[OdinEidolon]

Felt like it had rear steering or something

It has!

Well, not steering, but 406's wheel turn a little under strong force. Also 306 and Xantia have this feature.

[Welly]

'Passive' rear wheel steering.

I thank yaw

[OdinEidolon]

'Passive' rear wheel steering.

I thank yaw

It's great tech, isn't it. You can definitely feel it on tight U bends like the ones we have here on the mountains.

[Welly]

You can definitely feel it on tight U bends like the ones we have here on the mountains.

You might be able to feel it but are roads are so spectacularly poor the whole of the suspension has be smashed so much that even the fronts have passive steering

[OdinEidolon]

You can definitely feel it on tight U bends like the ones we have here on the mountains.

You might be able to feel it but are roads are so spectacularly poor the whole of the suspension has be smashed so much that even the fronts have passive steering

You have so bad roads there? Here they aren't bad, generally.

[ally406]

Felt like it had rear steering or something

It has!

Well, not steering, but 406's wheel turn a little under strong force. Also 306 and Xantia have this feature.

I didn't realise this, but thinking on it, I could see how the whole hub could pivot one way or another with strong force. The bushes on mine were so bad you got this effect just turning out of the drive way. You can also add the 405 onto that list incidentally!

[OdinEidolon]

Felt like it had rear steering or something

It has!

Well, not steering, but 406's wheel turn a little under strong force. Also 306 and Xantia have this feature.

I didn't realise this, but thinking on it, I could see how the whole hub could pivot one way or another with strong force. The bushes on mine were so bad you got this effect just turning out of the drive way. You can also add the 405 onto that list incidentally!

Yep, and also some more cars from Peugeot and Citroen. Also some other manifacturers did it, while some others really have rear steering, like the Laguna has.

[mjb]

Yep, and also some more cars from Peugeot and Citroen. Also some other manifacturers did it, while some others really have rear steering, like the Laguna has.

That's not rear wheel steering on the Laguna - that'll just be the play in all the bolts they forgot to tighten...

[OdinEidolon]

Yep, and also some more cars from Peugeot and Citroen. Also some other manifacturers did it, while some others really have rear steering, like the Laguna has.

That's not rear wheel steering on the Laguna - that'll just be the play in all the bolts they forgot to tighten...

Don't joke on it, my mum's clio rear brakes (drums) did make contact even when not braking just after having bought the car. "Normal" listening to the Renualt dealer.