Yes, my recent fears over the Clutch have materialised.
When pulling Max Torque in 4th (around 2000 RPM) there was a distinct blip in the revs with no effect on speed, also the slightest feather of a touch on the clutch pedal whilst driving sends the clutch into a spin.
It is right on it's raggedy edge, but how long will it last now ...[explain] I have no money for a new clutch and dual mass flywheel [/explain]
*wonders off with bottom lip lowered*
Cars in my care:
2021 Kia Spottage 1.6 Pez Turbo Dual Clutch Gearbox Trickery
2013 Renner Twingo - donkey work
whats the details on the car/ i'm working in the shop sunday and get most stuff at near cost, for family etc!!!! can get you a price for clutch kit, dont do flywheels as they are mega money, last duel mass was for a frontera tdi and guy had been quoted 800 quid for the flywheel alone
Welton, as you know I had my clutch and flywheel changed at the start of the month.
It cost me ?716.20 for parts a labour.
I could have got it done cheaper by a mates garage in ipswich which is about 100 miles away from me, but he could only fit me in at the end of august.
Final Breakdown was 5 hours Labour @ ?50 = ?250
Clutch Kit = ?109.97
Flywheel = ?249.57
VAT = ?106.66
Some garages quoted me 10 hours for the labour, so although the labour seems to be alot per hour it actually worked out cheaper in the long run. I initially only wanted a clutch fitted, but once they took the gearbox off they gave me a call to see if I wanted to go down and see the flywheel. It had been scorched, fouled, and slighly warped where the worn clutch had been working incorrectly. (I should have got some pictures). They told me that if they put it back on with the new clutch it would be ok, but would be a little noisey and could possibly need replacing within the next 6 months depending on use. So my options were paying the ?250 for the labout to have the clutch fitted, then pay for labour to have the whole thing taken apart a short while down the line, or to get the whole lot done at the same time.
I decided to have both done as it would save me money in the long run, at at least I knew that everything in that area would be ok.
So basically from my experience, I would say get the clutch replaced as soon as possible to stop it wrecking the flywheel.
I could get away with just a clutch assy but the flywheel is squeeking when I engage and disengage and there is some judder.
It appears that most, if not all Diesels have dual mass flywheels to absorb some of the jurkyness of the Diesel motor and make for smoother changes.
I will probably go for the full monty as I plan to keep the car for some time yet (also, secretly - if I go for a boost remap sometime then the new clutch etc will cope lovely).
Cars in my care:
2021 Kia Spottage 1.6 Pez Turbo Dual Clutch Gearbox Trickery
2013 Renner Twingo - donkey work
Welton, make sure you use an LuK clutch. These are far cheaper than the pug ones, of better quality and more reliable. The OE pug item is prone to slipping at early mileages on both the 90 and 110 HDi (it started on mine at 60k miles, although the clutch itself was not at all badly worn when it was checked, and the LuK did the deed sweet as you like). Fortunately, i've got a 1 piece flywheel so don't have any more worries....
Funnily enough, the OE ones are LUK items! I've done 3 clutches on various HDi's now, 1 from main dealer (Was a LUK in a Peugeot box) and 2 from factors. (Same clutch as dealer!) The old clutches on the cars were stamped LUK too....
In answer to the "how long does a clutch last" question, it totally depends on the type of driving the car's had (e.g, up and down motorway driving doesn't invlove the clutch much).
My old 2.1TD I sold with over 170,000 miles on it's original clutch.
2007 Mondeo Titanium X 2.0 TDCi
2007 307cc Sport 2.0 HDi 136
Gone but never forgotten: 2002 406 Coupe SE 2.2 HDi
Well my car also has a rear tow bar.. but to be honest, there's not many 406's on the road (well diesels anyway) WITHOUT one. I was worried about it to start with, but I had some spaghetti put on my ears by the salesman, as usual, saying that there's nothing to worry about despite the car having had three previous owners by the 74k mark when I bought. The car was also "RAC Approved", which calmed me down a bit and I had 6 months warranty.
Last year, however, I found out that the dealer was prosecuted for selling "RAC Approved" cars, which weren't actually RAC Approved.... whoops... thankfully my car behaved itself.. and still is... wheee!
Captain Jack wrote:Last year, however, I found out that the dealer was prosecuted for selling "RAC Approved" cars, which weren't actually RAC Approved.... whoops... thankfully my car behaved itself.. and still is... wheee!
....Funny you should say that, remember 'Yes Car Credit'? they boasted all cars had a comprehensive 120 point safety check and you saw the nice Mechanic man in very clean overalls 'ticking' the check boxes on a sheet.
Well, when they went bust the staff responsible for said checks quoted ''we just tick all the boxes anyway''
I had a similar experience when I bought the 406 from a respected local dealer specialising in Main Dealer cast offs like over 4 years old. They boast a 100 point check and every car they sell gets a brand new MOT regardless if it's only just had one or whatever, when I got my car home from all this 'special attentiion' the number plate light was out (was a very blackened bulb) and one rear tyre was on the wear limiter which I am sure is a failure
I'm not convinced by any Car Dealer's claims for your cars condition and your welfare one bit.
Cars in my care:
2021 Kia Spottage 1.6 Pez Turbo Dual Clutch Gearbox Trickery
2013 Renner Twingo - donkey work
Welton wrote:It is right on it's raggedy edge, but how long will it last now
Probably quite a while. The standard Pug clutch on the HDi is notoriously weak. Mine started doing the same at about 60k miles. I had it replaced, but was surprised to find quite a bit of meat left on the old one.
don't replace it with a Pug OE item - fit a superior LuK item for half the price. clutchmaster in Milton Keynes did mine for £330 even.
