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Power Steering Failing

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:05 pm
by Sage103
Looking for advice/help. My 110hdi steering power assistance became a bit intermittent. Wasn't losing fluid so I decided to change the pump and found a used one from an 806 which fitted perfectly. However this has not cured the fault so I'm presuming to problem lies in the rack and once the snow goes I'll check the hydraulic connections to the rack but given that there 's no loss of fluid they should be ok - unless it is possible for air to get in without fluid escaping?

And then - replacement rack? :(

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:03 pm
by frog
Could it be the steering wheel angle sensor? I think that is inside the COM2000 unit (just behind the steering wheel).

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:44 pm
by steve_earwig
Some of the high trim levels have variable rate power steering, maybe if yours has it that could be up the creek. Also a frozen ball joint could also make the steering heavy.

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:57 am
by PeterN
I have a spare rack from a 2001 Hdi estate - if you are anywhere near the west country.

Peter

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:38 pm
by Sage103
How can I determine if my car has the variable power steering? It's a 2000 110 Executive estate.

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:24 pm
by steve_earwig
Tricky. An executive could have it, I could have told you once but PSA decided that it was better if we didn't know :(

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:13 am
by Doggy
I think it's very unlikely - we've had three 2.2 HDi executives, none have had variable rate power steering.

The electrical diagrams on this site imply you'd have an electically driven rack, (which fairly should be easy to spot).https://www.petrila.net/repair/index.htm

Look under English/406/70 Driver Aids/Power Steering

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:45 pm
by Sage103
Thanks for all the suggestions and help. Not sure where I go from here but I do have plenty of time right now to think about it! :lol:

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:52 pm
by Doggy
If it were mine, I would jack it up / get it on stands so both front wheels are off the ground and operate the steering from lock to lock with the engine off - this should reveal any stiffness or noise from the steering, joints, strut top bearings etc.
Maybe get someone to twiddle the wheel while you listen and observe under the bonnet & from underneath the car.

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:49 pm
by GingerMagic
The chances are you haven't got variable power steering, however there is a chance your strut top bearings are worn - this can make the steering heavy at low speeds but fine when traveling along..

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:11 am
by PeterN
Have you tried lubricating the universal joint at the bottom of the column?

Peter

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:08 pm
by Sage103
No, I haven't but I did see that suggested elsewhere earlier today. Will give it a go tomorrow.

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:19 pm
by Sage103
And I have had the car up off both front wheels while bleeding the power steering - first without the engine running, and then wth it idling, and the steering was smooth from stop to stop. Today I noticed that the steering is heavy immediately after startup then it lightens but not consistently. It goes from feeling fine on a turn but then stiffens on return and is reluctant to self centre.

It feels as though it must have variable steering but the controlling sensor is faulty.

I don't want to go to the expense of a new rack, or another pump, until I have discounted all other possible causes.

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:24 pm
by Doggy
Possibly try a second hand pump from a scrapyard - fairly easy/quick/cheap and should eliminate at least one possibility?

Re: Power Steering Failing

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:34 pm
by steve_earwig
I'm afraid he already tried that (first post). We did have a thread a long time back (JamesXCVBNM?) where the variable ps had gone up the swannie. I'll have a search...