2.2 HDi The Next Generation

[rwb]

Good point about the honest dealer. The one I bought my first 406 off certainly wasn't! Not so sure about the one I got my current one from, but at least they were within walking distance of where I lived.

[Welly]

There are some good dealers around, and some not so. Where I bought my 406 from was like a small car supermarket, they couldn't do enough for you, even handed me a bunch of flowers on collection . The salesman admitted he had 'brushed' the front bumper when they were shifting cars around so told me to bring it back at my convenience for a free respray (which I did).

There was lots of things they did to keep the customer happy (that was number one priority).......they went bust 2 years later, couldn't make a profit.

[Captain Jack]

Honest dealer? Er.... Never met one...... I think I'd rather buy privately next time and use the savings to sort stuff out.

[Doggy]

Honest dealer? Er.... Never met one...... I think I'd rather buy privately next time and use the savings to sort stuff out.

Are they the one's selling white powder in small plastic bags?

[scotty73]

Honest dealer? Er.... Never met one...... I think I'd rather buy privately next time and use the savings to sort stuff out.

Are they the one's selling white powder in small plastic bags?

he said sort, not "Snort"

[Sonia406]

Best of luck today Rwb, an exceptionally early start for you today.
I know you probably won't get time later but we want many pictures from you when you can
I am excited as the 407 as I was with collecting Pugster!
Keep safe today

[Doggy]

Amen to that.

Remember to keep an eye on the instantaneous mpg - that should give your neck muscles a chance and reduce the severity of the laughter lines.

[rwb]

Well I've been and got it, and after 5.5 hours on public transport I was more determined than ever to buy a car.

Here are some observations!

Did 25 miles down to the M1 then stopped for a sandwich, and it was hell. The clutch was heavy and the biting point ill-defined, the interior was just odd, couldn't get the seat right.

Refreshed, and with all the cleaning product used on the steering wheel and gear knob washed off my hands, I got back in, spent ages adjusting the seat and steering wheel and found a position that felt more familiar. The penny dropped that it was the heated seat making me sweat. Then settled in to a familiar motorway run.

Started off as I would in the 406, sitting behind a wagon. It's a good place to get your eye in and have enough left-over attention to play with my new knobs. Does 50mph at about 1400 in 6th, and the trip computer was approaching 55mpg average -- including the run through Leeds. Bailes issued a bollocking for doing 1400rpm in 6th on behalf of the DMF.

Stopped again at Tibshelf just to take stock, go through the MFD menus, and realised that the interior was much less manky for having had some heat in it. Similarly, after some use the clutch settled down and I can now drive again

Actually I do find it a more difficult car to drive than the 406, but maybe that will change over time.

Couple of silly things:
* you can't see the cruise and radio stalks through the 3-spoke steering wheel like you can through the 4-spoke steering wheel (this was awkward for trying to work out the cruise -- which is new to me). The speed limit is brilliant for average speed cameras;
* the door mirrors could do with being a bit further forward, you have to turn your head quite far;
* the door mirrors seem to cause a lot of wind noise.

The doors are really heavy, but they seem to stay under control.

In terms of the thing itself, it's clearly better put together than my 406 and using much better materials. However, the interior panels still just don't fit together well. COM2003 is a massive improvement over COM2000: more conventional feel, a non-latching part of the movement for single flashes, and generally feels less delicate.

The MFD displays haven't been thought out very well, e.g., can't show trip and map at the same time, and the MFD on the clocks is mainly blank. Is there any way to get the trips to stay on the clocks MFD?

The jury is out on the seats. The bolsters definitely aren't as big as my 406. However my bum was suffering after 5.5 hours on public transport so I was already uncomfortable when I set off. The lumbar support is a bit disappointing (it was in the 406, before they took it out) but nevertheless a welcome return.

The arm rest is OK. I like it up on the motorway, but if any gear changing is needed then it has to go into the lower position because it gets in the way.

Why the hell did they swap the oil and water temperatures over? The water doesn't get up to 90 -- just under.

Don't like the speedo, it's too cluttered. (Multiples of 20 have large text and multiples of 10 have smaller text, and there are tickmarks for 5s.)
I 'm not fussed for the white dials, but I really don't like the red needles and I hate the hot-pink colour when it's lit.

The engine is truly amazing
The thing is off like a flash -- if commanded to do so -- and it keeps going. (I chickened out at 105 but it was for keeping going.)

Computer says 48mpg over 250 miles. The 406 would have done 65. But it's hardly a fair comparison.

Although it probably doesn't sound like it, I'm very happy with it

[rwb]

Oh, and it came with a present. These are the only faults on the whole system.

[Doggy]

Good to hear you're pleased with your new steed. I know what you mean about it not feeling 'right', I spent the first couple of weeks after buying mine shaking my head and saying, 'Why?' repeatedly. Eventualy I came to realise it wasn't really better or worse, just different and when I cast my mind back far enough, I was uneasy with the original 406 for the first few weeks too.

Put some pics up when you can...

Regarding the errors:
Pre heating circuit - probably all them have this one, just like 406 HDi's
Auto box CAN comms - guessing some bell-end's pressed the wrong button and told the BSI it's a slushmatic
DPS / too frequent regens - probably not good. A diet of motorway miles might sort it, but do you have a plan 'B', preferably involving a big hammer?
Mixer butterfly - haven't got a clue

[Sonia406]

Wow... bless you!
Can't wait to see more photographs of it

[steve_earwig]

DPS / too frequent regens - probably not good.

It probably doesn't help having the fuel cap error....

Mixer butterfly - haven't got a clue

Is this swirl flaps?

[rwb]

Put some pics up when you can...

Can't wait to see more photographs of it

What do you want to see?!

DPS / too frequent regens - probably not good. A diet of motorway miles might sort it, but do you have a plan 'B', preferably involving a big hammer?

Yeah, this is an unfortunate top priority that's going to run to a couple of hundred.
Plan A is to sort out the glow plugs and get it to do a regen.
Then it needs a DPF-delete. The hardware part is easy, it's the software part that's going to cost since I need someone to do it...

This is the only thing I can find about "mixer butterfly":
http://www.peugeotforums.com/forums/407 ... dex26.html

[Doggy]

Yeah, this is an unfortunate top priority that's going to run to a couple of hundred.
Plan A is to sort out the glow plugs and get it to do a regen.
Then it needs a DPF-delete. The hardware part is easy, it's the software part that's going to cost since I need someone to do it...

Taking a slightly longer term view,
- if you defap, the glow plugs don't matter
- On my first 406, when defapping wasn't understood, I removed the FAP element without doing anything else. It went into limp mode eventually, but ran perfectly OK for several months.

Find out which ecu it has.

[rwb]

Well, the glow plugs are used for starting, and IIRC stay on for a couple of minutes after start. So I'd prefer that they work.

It's a Bosch EDC16CP39. I think it can be flashed with a Galletto 1260, but on a £4k car I'd prefer a pro to do it.

That's a very good question: just how upset will it get if the physical delete is done first?
It can't be any harder to drive in limp mode than the 90 was.