Hi,
my 2002 406 failed my on Friday in France, where it now still is. Breakdown recovery sorted me out, and got me home, and my car will be delievered home (unrepaired) within the next 7 days.
I got some Diesel at the Gas Station, and then the Car didn't start anymore. If you turn the key it just doesn't do anything and doesn't make any noises at all. All the electrics and displays in the Car still work fine. If you push the car it will start and run no problem.
I am now not sure if this might be the ignition or the starter motor. Any idea, or did someone have the same Issue?
Cheers,
DSAB
P.S. Isn't it typical that the car didn't have a problem for almost 3 weeks (and 2.5k miles), but fails on the last day 40 miles before getting back onto the ferry
406 HDI (90) not starting ... not turning over at all!
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Re: 406 HDI (90) not starting ... not turning over at all!
Bugger 
You didn't give instructions to loose it off the side of the ferry when they bring it over did you? 
Ignition switch, starter motor or... something in between. Did you try the age-old trick of clumping your starter motor with a hammer or something, in case the solenoid's jammed?
Looking at my 110 the feed to the starter motor solenoid is a very easy to get to grey wire (it's under a nut and has a green sleeve), you need to check there's 12 volts getting here when the key's turned to start (you may need an assistant).
If you don't get 12 volts you're looking at the ignition switch, there's been a lot of different faults with this so it's your prime suspect. Of course there's always the chance of a connector or something in between going faulty so see if there's 12 volts coming out of the starter feed when it's turned to start before you go ripping it to bits.
If there is 12 volts on the grey wire then the starter motor needs investigation, I don't think the battery feed will have fallen off but it's probably best to check
(fireworks anyone?)
I don't think this would have anything to with the immobilizer (mine doesn't have one) but as far as I know, the engine would still crank, just not fire & it's doing that...
Btw I'm assuming manual transmission...
You didn't give instructions to loose it off the side of the ferry when they bring it over did you? Ignition switch, starter motor or... something in between. Did you try the age-old trick of clumping your starter motor with a hammer or something, in case the solenoid's jammed?
Looking at my 110 the feed to the starter motor solenoid is a very easy to get to grey wire (it's under a nut and has a green sleeve), you need to check there's 12 volts getting here when the key's turned to start (you may need an assistant).
If you don't get 12 volts you're looking at the ignition switch, there's been a lot of different faults with this so it's your prime suspect. Of course there's always the chance of a connector or something in between going faulty so see if there's 12 volts coming out of the starter feed when it's turned to start before you go ripping it to bits.
If there is 12 volts on the grey wire then the starter motor needs investigation, I don't think the battery feed will have fallen off but it's probably best to check
(fireworks anyone?)I don't think this would have anything to with the immobilizer (mine doesn't have one) but as far as I know, the engine would still crank, just not fire & it's doing that...
Btw I'm assuming manual transmission...
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Re: 406 HDI (90) not starting ... not turning over at all!
its also not uncommon for the starter live cable (the thick red one) to snap as on some 406's they were made slightly too short,
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Re: 406 HDI (90) not starting ... not turning over at all!
sounds too familiar i know this experience aswell!
on Saturday i was making my way back to Dunkirk from Amsterdam with a friend after a euro road trip (Nurburgring, Berlin, Szcecin, Amsterdam
) and pulled into a petrol station outside Brugges. filled up and went to restart the car- turned over but wouldn't fire. after trying to troubleshoot the problem for half hour- fuses, fuel filter, make sure didn't fill with petrol etc i was forced to ask the station to phone a recovery truck. after another hour and half they arrived and took it to a local garage for €160 
. an hour or so later they diagnosed the cam sensor. upshot was ferry missed and a 16hr trip home from Amsterdam which should have took 8 at most and €250 out of pocket all together
sounds like it is the ignition switch on yours btw. had this with a ZX many years back
on Saturday i was making my way back to Dunkirk from Amsterdam with a friend after a euro road trip (Nurburgring, Berlin, Szcecin, Amsterdam
) and pulled into a petrol station outside Brugges. filled up and went to restart the car- turned over but wouldn't fire. after trying to troubleshoot the problem for half hour- fuses, fuel filter, make sure didn't fill with petrol etc i was forced to ask the station to phone a recovery truck. after another hour and half they arrived and took it to a local garage for €160 . an hour or so later they diagnosed the cam sensor. upshot was ferry missed and a 16hr trip home from Amsterdam which should have took 8 at most and €250 out of pocket all togethersounds like it is the ignition switch on yours btw. had this with a ZX many years back
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Re: 406 HDI (90) not starting ... not turning over at all!
I just picked the car up from the local Peugeot dealer. It was indeed the Starter Motor that had to be replaced. Finding the problem, new starter motor and fitting it cost me 280 GBP altogether at the main dealership.
Dealer told me that a good mechanic would have had no problem getting it to work in France, as all it needed to start was a few hits with the hammer. Something inside the starter motor was stuck, and would loosen up when "hammered".
Hope it is the last repair for a while, but after all it is a peugeot.
Dealer told me that a good mechanic would have had no problem getting it to work in France, as all it needed to start was a few hits with the hammer. Something inside the starter motor was stuck, and would loosen up when "hammered".
Hope it is the last repair for a while, but after all it is a peugeot.