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Post by Doggy » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:51 pm

Looking good. That there stove should work wonders.
In a perfect world you would keep as much of the flue indoors as possible as you get quite a bit of heat from it - the more you reduce the air flow the hotter the flue gas. I assume you couldn't reasonably have put it somewhere near the centre of the buiding / chimbley through the roof?
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Post by steve_earwig » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:58 am

You've set me thinking (again). That there stove isn't really powerful enough to heat the whole building, especial with zero insulation, The reason it's there is I just wanted to get some heat in the main workroom, where I suspect I'll be spending most of my time, and I just kind of copied the set up at my house where the (built-in before you ask) chimney is in the far corner out of the way, yet it seemed to heat the whole workshop no problem at all. And I didn't want to mess with the roof...

The middle of the building would put it on the other side of the wall (not useful). Plus I'm not sure about having a stove right next to a wooden wall, then I guess if it's got a fair gap it probably doesn't matter. Unfortunately this side of that wall is where I planned to put the stairs.

However, what if I build the stairs the other side of the wall? Wouldn't it make more sense to have the stairs using up space where I won't be working, rather than taking up space in the smaller pig sty where I will be? This would also mean I wouldn't have to make a door at the top of the stairs to stop all the heat going up there and out the roof :?

Cut a hole in the wall, add door.

Insulate roof, move stove to the middle of the other wall and run the chimney through roof. Acquire bigger stove.
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Post by Doggy » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:22 am

Sorry if I've added to your list. :oops:

I would weigh up the relative cost / benefit of reducing heat loss vs biggerrer stove.
The first option is a one-off cost/activity that might be cheap if you happen on suitable materials say over the spring/summer. You have to feed a bigger stove more as well as buying it in the first place.

I has a K-reg. 1992 Aarrow Hamlet 60,000 BTU inset boiler stove that heats the whole house with ease. :cheesy:
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Post by steve_earwig » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:00 pm

Oh no, suggestions welcom - I don't want to build it all permanently and think "why didn't I..?"

According to the interwebs this stove puts out 23884.991431BTU. I do have a heap of old wood for burning but the main boiler on the house is wood-powered, I can always order an extra couple of pallets. Btw the household boiler works out at just over 68,000BTU

Oh, and why can't I put the stairs that side? 'cos there's a sodding great beam there (which Miloš says is removable...)
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Post by Welly » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:17 am

I'm liking the flue brackets!

It might warm up after you've got some heat into the fabric of the building (and the floor slab) you probably only need heat to take the edge off the temperature in there because you'll be working flat out in there chopping, sawing, hammering, welding.....
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Post by steve_earwig » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:48 pm

Welly wrote:
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I'm liking the flue brackets!
Fankyew 8) I made them with my own (scratched, scabby and dry) hands out of bits and bobs (i.e. a load of old junk) I had hanging about.

Indeed, as far as I remember the label said it'd heat 144sq.m. if run continuously, half that if it's not. Anyway, after 2 days it's already pushed the heat in there up to the heady heights of 12 dungarees! :shock:
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Post by Welly » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:06 pm

That's the way! initially the heat will get soaked away by the cold structure and especially the floor, of course retaining heat can only be supported by the use of insulation and preventing air leakage into the space.

[granny suck eggs moment] those flue brackets have got a good grip of the tubing haven't they? the weight of the stack will obvs bear down on the first elbow if not. Sorry, my previous job at an industrial pipework company made me say it :oops:
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Post by steve_earwig » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:31 pm

It'll have to wait until the floor's down upstairs (Miloš is coming soon, apparently) to actually have much of an effect but for now I know that the small amount of heat in there will be drying the boards out - they weren't particularly dry to start off with and then the wind blew snow in there through the missing window :oops: Anyway, it's fun :cheesy:

Not having designed* a chimney before I've not got much idea but I thought that maybe letting the entire weight sit on that bottom elbow would probably be a mistake, I could imagine with hot/cold cycles it would probably start sagging and maybe eventually collapse. Those tubes are about 6Kg a meter section so it's holding up about 20Kg. Good grip? Probably, but I'll give them a tweak in the morning just for you :P
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Post by Welly » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:56 am

Hang on, the wind blew what in there?



Snow!




SNOW :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Post by steve_earwig » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:47 am

Er yeah, snow
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Is that good or bad? Not enough to bother breaking out the snow shovel but there's more forecast for this week :(
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Post by Doggy » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:02 pm

Mighty fickle that there metric weather.
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Post by Welly » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:33 pm

Just surprised when you said snow but then you do live in Croatia.

We've had a tiny touch of frost so far and this morning the faintest whiff of mist in the air which was so dangerous* people were illuminating their front fog lights because: Fog :frown:
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Post by steve_earwig » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:05 pm

A few days before that it was still 20 degrees odd.

We get that here too, although some days the fog is actually bad enough to warrant turning fog light on. Of course they don't :roll: One thing I would say for modern cars is at least there's far less of those "it was a bit foggy so I turned my fog lights on and they're still on a month later" idjuts.
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Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:02 pm
Mighty fickle that there metric weather.
I thought the Imperial stuff wasn't too predictable these days either, apparently it was hotter for longer there than it was here earlier in the year, and we're geared up for that sort of crap. This year we had our air conditioner running, er, once.
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