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drivers side water ingress.

Post by annie » Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:10 am

first time its rained since i bought this 1999 2.0hdi 90 estate. loads of water in footweell this morning. its come over the top seal. the water is sitting in the groovein the door seal and leaking by.

also there is a lot of wind noise from that door at speed. has the top of the door been bent out to gain access to the car and now is leaking past the top part of the door seal and maybe down the inside of the door and over the bottom part of the door seal. if this makes sense..... where would i by a new seal and bend the door back

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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by annie » Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:32 am

the top of the door from the outside is fine and sitting properly so water is getting past the seal or down the door inside maybe

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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by GingerMagic » Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:24 pm

I believe the water is designed to run down the inside of the door skin, and out through the drain holes in the bottom of the door.
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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by annie » Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:37 pm

how is it getting over the door seal at the bottom. cant find a new seal . may have to ring peugeot for a price....ouch

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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by GingerMagic » Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:50 pm

Maybe the weather shield ( the white plastic sheet behind the door card ) is missing and coming through this way?
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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by annie » Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:55 pm

will look at taking door card off then. worth a look.

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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by benczuk » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:52 pm

I snipped a bit out of the rubber seal on mine where you see the water sat. Fixed the wet carpet with no noticeable affects.
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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by annie » Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:14 pm

ill try that. i cant seem to find a new seal anywhere and still waiting for pug to get back to me.

i took off the door card and all in intact and bone dry so itmust be coming in through the top part of the door seal and congregating at the lowest point of the seal. the carpet was dry before the rain but it was a massive shower. waiting for a light downppour to see if it over whelms the seals again.

could it be a dropped door pin or hinge. investigating today and i can move the door upwards of 10-15mm when fully extended... is this an easy fix with just a simple pin replacement with doors off does anyone know...
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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by GingerMagic » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:44 pm

Hi Annie, there are no pins in the door hinges - there is a slight recess/dip for the hinge part to sit in the body part while you do the bolts up, one going up through the top hinge, one going down through the bottom hinge.

You can undo the the hinges a tiny bit and move the door up and then tighten the hinges ( there will be missing paint to determine how much you have moved the hinge ), or you can lift the latch up by .5mm or so.

If the door sits flush when shut, no water coming through the door, then its either the windscreen ( have you checked the drains in the scuttle? ) or the door rubber on the back door if you were facing downhill...... :cheesy:
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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by annie » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:15 pm

so if it drops when open and needs a hard shove to seat properly i presume the slack is wear and tear and would need a new hinge?

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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by GingerMagic » Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:40 pm

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the bolts that fix the hinge to the door also act as 'pins' while the dip in the hinge could also wear and increase in size making things a bit slack, so I guess they could wear with time.

Maybe swap the bolts/pins from the back door onto the front door and see if it fixes it..?

Do not over-tighten them of they will shear ( :oops: ) and it can be a pig to get it out...
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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by annie » Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:02 pm

thanks for help. will look into it at the weekend. so far no rain for a week

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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by annie » Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:29 pm

after ive butchered the door seal , all is dry after a few hours of good rain.
not the end of the fix as really need new seal and rehang door with tighter hinges but a victory none the less

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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by GingerMagic » Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:19 pm

Hi Annie, I have just been out to donor car to get a part for Nick, and while I was there I removed the drivers door seal, and the trim that goes from the windscreen to the top of the 2 doors.

Donor car hasn't moved in over a year ( the missus is getting very fed up of now with her subtle* digs.. ) and the inside carpet is bone dry.

They are yours if you want them.
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Re: drivers side water ingress.

Post by annie » Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:21 pm

that would be fantastic...let me know how much you want. where are you or can you post.. had a good look at the door today and the bottom hinge has a bolt through like a hinge pin and that was loose. i tightened that up a fair bit and the play has decreased significantly in the top hinge and the wind noise now starts at 80 and not 30 like before, so with a new seal all should be fixed

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