Another MOT shake up

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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by piglet » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:53 am

mjb wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:23 pm

but I found the draft regs: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... -draft.pdf

Most of it's sensible, albeit poorly defined.
If it's in there it's hidden away in hours of reading that I don't have time for.

Definition of dangerous:
dangerous – defects that are a direct and immediate risk to road safety or having an impact on the environment

Fairly vague, could the environment clause result in a dangerous fail for an oil leak?
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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by Captain Jack » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:30 pm

Sadly, this means I'll probably have to put the DPF filter back in (have the non-bashed out one in the garage), though I'll keep the remap :twisted: ! I will wait and see what happens before doing anything but I can always just put the filter on for the MOT and remove afterwards :supafrisk:

Wonder what will happen to 2.2 HDI chaps who have all mostly gutted and mapped out the bastard thing...
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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by Welly » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:03 am

Captain Jack wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:30 pm
Sadly, this means I'll probably have to put the DPF filter back in (have the non-bashed out one in the garage), though I'll keep the remap :twisted: ! I will wait and see what happens before doing anything but I can always just put the filter on for the MOT and remove afterwards :supafrisk:

Wonder what will happen to 2.2 HDI chaps who have all mostly gutted and mapped out the bastard thing...
You've bashed one out in the Garage? or did I miss-read something :lol:

As far as I know you will only fail if you've obviously removed a DPF from a car that should have one from the factory. If it looks like it's in place and passes the smoke test then it's fine, oh hang on did someone say there must be no smokeage if there's a DPF fitted? I guess you'll always get some smoke from a HDi without a filter. I guess that's the test then, smoke from a dpf'd car means it's not there??
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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by Captain Jack » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:40 am

Yeah, that's the ambiguous thing - any "visible" smoke from a DPF car is a fail. Though, in neutral, there is very little smoke no matter how hard I rev.

However. They also need to use the "plate" emission limit, which is on the sticker in the engine bay, which in my case is 0.52 whatevs. Looking at previous MOTs without DPF (and passing!) the emissions were 0.51 and 0.67, which is verrry close. Emissions when I had the DPF intact was something like 0.05...

I'll sit and watch.
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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by Doggy » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:45 pm

I haz no 'plate' or sticker in the engine bay as 406 dpf's pre-dated any requirement to have one.
I thought that came in with Euro 4 in 2005, but Uncle Google implies it was not until Euro 5 in 2008/9.
Either way I don't see any MOT emission limit changes being retrospectively applied to cars built before the legislation existed.
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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by Captain Jack » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:05 pm

So my 2007 will still be Euro 4... hmm.

But the rulez say that any car that was originally fitted with one should still have one. And you still have an empty shell for the DPF... Eh.. :?
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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by trem1 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:33 pm

I had heard it would apply to cars produced after 2008, which would tie in with euro 5. Guess we all need to wait and see what develops.


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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by GingerMagic » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:56 pm

I heard ages ago it was for cars produced after 2008 but I guess it's up to the MOT inspectors interpretation..

Later models need the DPF removed and cut open to defap them, and the weld seam is a giveaway - not so for the 406 :cheesy:

As aside, both my defapped 406s flew through the smoke test with virtually no visable smoke at all - I think blanking the EGR helps massively...
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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by Captain Jack » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:09 am

Yes, post-2008 was also my understanding but who knows. My 407 is 2007 but clearly has (had!) a DPF filter...
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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by Welly » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:19 am

Just to help you, I've emailed the DVSA and the Department of Very Lost Applications with your Reg No. and VIN just to check what is required for MOT.

I also said that the standard DPF had been removed, I hope this helps.
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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by Captain Jack » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:38 am

Thanks Welly, ever so helpful! :lol:
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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by GingerMagic » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:54 pm

Welly wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:19 am
Just to help you, I've emailed the DVSA and the Department of Very Lost Applications with your Reg No. and VIN just to check what is required for MOT.

I also said that the standard DPF had been removed, I hope this helps.
Thanks Welly, I'll be sure* to pass on that information* to the new owner.... :cheesy:
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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by Bailes1992 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:43 am

I think removing an EGR and DPF on anything Euro 5 or newer is a no-no now. That was the issue I had with my previous Focus, knowing all the issues I was having were down to the emmisions equipment and I wasn't going to be able to remove them without worrying every time the fuzz was behind me.

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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by grasmere59 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:34 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/ ... -cars-fail
I think if i am reading it right it will only affect post 2005/2006 cars. :?
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Re: Another MOT shake up

Post by mjb » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:44 am

In the MOT testing manual I linked above - 8.2.2.1 "Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer missing, obviously modified or obviously defective" or "Evidence that the diesel particulate filter has been tampered with" is a major fail.
grasmere59 wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:34 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/ ... -cars-fail
I think if i am reading it right it will only affect post 2005/2006 cars. :?
The guardian is saying DPFs mainly come in post-2006 cars, which is obviously not the case here
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