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Post by Doggy » Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:42 pm

Now't wrong with paranoia, so long as you have just the right amount.

HTH :D
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Post by Welly » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:47 pm

Doggy wrote:Now't wrong with paranoia, so long as you have just the right amount.

HTH :D
HTH?

Is that a secret code?

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Post by Doggy » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:44 pm

ERROR 06 Paranoia level too high or too low.
Please calm down or focus as necessary.
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Post by steve_earwig » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:50 pm

Heading To Hell?

It's because when someone else is doing it you think they must know what they're doing (I have evidence that you'd be wrong here)

Whereas, when you do it, you've been listening to t'wife too much and doubt your own competence.
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Post by highlander » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:21 pm

Doggy wrote:ERROR 06 Paranoia level too high or too low.
Please calm down or focus as necessary.
WHO TOLD YOU TO SAY THAT???
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Post by Doggy » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:09 pm

Graeme, you know I can't answer that.
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Post by Welly » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:55 am

I definitely didn't find the correct Torque values on the web for the caliper bolts yesterday (after completing the job) and definitely didn't get home and strip the whole lot to re-torque bolts to correct values or anything, no that never happened.

My previous 'by hand' torques felt very similar to the torque wrench ones in the end.
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Post by OllieNZ » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:20 am

Welly wrote:I definitely didn't find the correct Torque values on the web for the caliper bolts yesterday (after completing the job) and definitely didn't get home and strip the whole lot to re-torque bolts to correct values or anything, no that never happened.

My previous 'by hand' torques felt very similar to the torque wrench ones in the end.
I usually measure torque by number of white knuckles :supafrisk: anything more the 5 white knuckles is simply known as RFT (really f**kin tight)

Seriously though, the more time you spend on the tools the more you get a feel for how tight things need to be. I will however always use a torque wrench for anything I consider critical, has a specific tightening pattern or an unusually high/low torque value.

I've been banging on aboot up-sizing from the 307 for a while......
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I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised with it. Appearance wise I feel it's in better condition than advertised. I assumed the interior was cloth based on the pictures but it's actually half suede leather, it's not fully loaded but has all the useful toys: auto lights/wipers/folding mirrors, electric sliding doors the operate off the key fob, parking sensors, electric memory seats and a 6 speed box.
As we're planning on keeping this one for as long as possible I'll be doing a load of work on it: hdi tuning 170bhp remap, tow bar, hard wired front/rear dash cams, reversing camera and a lot of rust proofing.

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Post by PeterN » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:27 pm

Looks very nice - and useful. When I started repairing my motors I don't think they had torque wrenches, at least I certainly didn't, you did things up by size and feel, the only thing I use one for now is head bolts. The usual thing that happened was over tightening and after breaking a few things and having to repair them you soon learn't.

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Post by Welly » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:53 pm

Ollie - that looks a good buy for sure, I always forget about that model, certainly don't notice them around too much, seem to see a lot of the big Citroens instead. Hope it serves you well should shift along nicely with a remap and some de-strangling :D

In terms of Torque settings, the more I looked into them and brake calipers the more I wondered if it's more to do with risk and arse-covering. I was advised to torque the caliper mounting brackets to 100NM (18mm bolts) and the Caliper slide pin mountings (13mm bolts) to 32NM which to be fair 'felt' about right. Then came the argument over using threadlock on the bolts, don't really see a need for this unless it's something rotating at eleventy million rpm :?
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Post by OllieNZ » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:36 pm

Welly wrote:Ollie - that looks a good buy for sure, I always forget about that model, certainly don't notice them around too much, seem to see a lot of the big Citroens instead. Hope it serves you well should shift along nicely with a remap and some de-strangling :D

In terms of Torque settings, the more I looked into them and brake calipers the more I wondered if it's more to do with risk and arse-covering. I was advised to torque the caliper mounting brackets to 100NM (18mm bolts) and the Caliper slide pin mountings (13mm bolts) to 32NM which to be fair 'felt' about right. Then came the argument over using threadlock on the bolts, don't really see a need for this unless it's something rotating at eleventy million rpm :?
Generally speaking there is a specific torque range for a given diameter fastener depending on material/grade and whether it's in a shear or tension application.
Vibration is the killer when it comes to fasteners, it doesn't just have to be spinning.

This is a pretty awesome demonstration of how vibration can effect even a correctly tightened bolt


PeterN wrote:Looks very nice - and useful. When I started repairing my motors I don't think they had torque wrenches, at least I certainly didn't, you did things up by size and feel, the only thing I use one for now is head bolts. The usual thing that happened was over tightening and after breaking a few things and having to repair them you soon learn't.

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When I did my aircraft mechanics course some of our school aircraft were de Havilland Devons (WW2 era design) and torquing was done by attaching a spring balance at a known distance along a bar and working out how much force to apply (for those unfamiliar, applied torque is simply calculated by force x distance) in the case of the prop nut it consisted of you weighing yourself and working out how far along the 6ft bar you had to hang to get the correct torque.

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Post by PeterN » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:16 pm

I still use that principle, the older I get the longer breaker bar I have to buy. :?

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Post by Doggy » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:39 am

....waiting at East Midlands Airport, cattle class to Faro, sometime soon, maybe. :roll:
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Post by OllieNZ » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:39 am

PeterN wrote:I still use that principle, the older I get the longer breaker bar I have to buy. :?

Peter
If you haven't already got one, I'd recommend an electric impact gun. One of the older guys at work (70) still does most of his own spannering and he'd never considered one (impact guns are a big no no on aircraft) until his car mechanic son gave him one of his old ones. He couldn't believe how much easier it made things for him. Still tightens everything by hand but raves about how much it takes the struggle out of even the simplest of jobs.

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Post by steve_earwig » Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:38 am

Doggy wrote:....waiting at East Midlands Airport, cattle class to Faro, sometime soon, maybe. :roll:
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