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Re: New car suggestions

Post by trufflehunt » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:25 am

Bailes1992 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:08 am
Captain Jack wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:25 am
I did look at Renners briefly and I am scared of them falling apart. Can't be worse than a Peugeot though!

Thanks for this - will take a closer look.
I've come to the conclusion that these days you cannot buy a bad car.
I refer you to your earlier post.
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Re: New car suggestions

Post by Bailes1992 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:41 am

stevewalsh wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:00 am
To replace 1 of our 406 estates
I got a 2009 Mazda 6 Estate with a 2.2 MZR-CD 185HP Diesel, I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy, Nice car to drive but in the past 12 months its had

2 x timing chains, The first one I fitted at 160000 miles as the original was badly stretched, failed under parts warranty after 2000 miles, and I had to fit the second. Not a 2 minute job!!

DPF Failed
Heated seats failed
Rear discs and calipers badly corroded
Rust spots on roof and corrosion coming through in various places
Alternator clutch pulley failed taking out the drive belt, 800 miles from home
Heater flap servo motor failed
Bluetooth module failed
Alarm goes off randomly in warm weather
The list goes on and on
I am now waiting delivery of a front wheel bearing housing, the original has distorted and it drives like its got a buckled wheel.

I need a big estate but don't know what to replace it with.
I would love a new 406 90 hdi,
Timing chain failure is getting more and more common. Unfortunately in the pursuit for low emissions and low fuel consumption oils have got thinner and thinner. The Mazda if I remember correctly uses a 5w30 'C2' oil? If it was mine I would probably be using a *w30 or *w40 meeting ACEA C3 and look for an approval like BMW LL04, Porsche A40, Porsche C30 or VW 504/507. Couple this with extended oil change intervals 12k+ and timing chains just do not last. I'd much rather have a belt that's changed regularly.

Everything else I doubt you could really blame the car for. I bet all of those parts are made by big manufacturers like Bosch, TRW, Aisin etc etc.

You just got a bad'un.
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Re: New car suggestions

Post by Bailes1992 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:45 am

trufflehunt wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:25 am
Bailes1992 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:08 am
Captain Jack wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:25 am
I did look at Renners briefly and I am scared of them falling apart. Can't be worse than a Peugeot though!

Thanks for this - will take a closer look.
I've come to the conclusion that these days you cannot buy a bad car.
I refer you to your earlier post.
You took what I said completely out of context by deleting half of the quote. I don't appreciate that.
Bailes1992 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:08 am

I've come to the conclusion that these days you cannot buy a bad car. You get a car with faults, and all manufacturers make the occasional Friday afternoon car. But, as a general rule, you cannot go out and buy a car that with care wouldn't do 200k.
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Re: New car suggestions

Post by PeterN » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:09 am

For years I have been looking for a really comfortable riding car without success, most modern cars seem to have a hard ride. some ridiculously so.
I ran hydropnumatic Citroens for getting on for 30 years and they were certainly the best at the time. The C5 their last offering I was not all impressed with, that was when I got my first 406.

Last week I was looking at potentially good riding cars but when I read the road tests and owners reviews, those concerned about ride quality were not impressed. I was looking on ebay and saw one of the later C5's in Exeter, not to far away, it was with a dealer which I usually fight shy of but it was on auction on ebay which is probably the most realistic way of buying and selling. I had no intention whatsoever of buying it but phoned and asked if I could have a drive, certainly was the reply so I went and tried it.

My ghast was flabbered, I didn't think it was possible to get a modern car short of as big Jag or a Bently that would ride and drive like that one. I bid on it and won it, it puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. Its a metallic dark red, my favourite colour, has only done just over 100k and looks almost like new, it did come up with a 'DPF fluid low' soon after I bought but I will forgive it that. This is not the hydropnumatic version but has steel springs which is all the more amazing. I drove the 406 briefly last night and it felt positively uncouth.

It has huge carrying capacity and on a 7 mile trip to Axminster yesterday showed 60 mpg. At the moment its the car of my dreams but I will still have to see if I can get my Lexia to work on it. I still have a 406 by the way. 8)

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Re: New car suggestions

Post by Doggy » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:09 pm

Yes, they do have a nice ride and give an initial impression of utter smoothness. Ride is a bit firmer than the 406, but very well damped -they were marketed as a german car built in france in an attempt to lure the mainstream buyers.
My trip computer is a compulsive liar reporting anything up to 10 mpg more than reality.
I just can't get on with the pitiful bottom end torque, inability to pull out of junctions in 2nd, narrow power band and lack of refinement compared to a decent 2.2. I also miss the wonderful visibility of the 406 - never clipped any kerbs in one of those.
I haven't managed to get Lexia to work on mine yet, but have managed limited access using PP2k and 'pretending' it's a 407
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Re: New car suggestions

Post by Bailes1992 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:59 pm

Doggy wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:09 pm
Yes, they do have a nice ride and give an initial impression of utter smoothness. Ride is a bit firmer than the 406, but very well damped -they were marketed as a german car built in france in an attempt to lure the mainstream buyers.
My trip computer is a compulsive liar reporting anything up to 10 mpg more than reality.
I just can't get on with the pitiful bottom end torque, inability to pull out of junctions in 2nd, narrow power band and lack of refinement compared to a decent 2.2. I also miss the wonderful visibility of the 406 - never clipped any kerbs in one of those.
I haven't managed to get Lexia to work on mine yet, but have managed limited access using PP2k and 'pretending' it's a 407
Think we can blame modern emissions compliance for the lack of <2000rpm grunt that you get from any modern diesel. I do find it is made much less noticeable with the auto 'box in my Volvo. When you pull off it just sits at 2000rpm with the converter open until it gets into 3rd gear and it locks-up.

I do sometimes wish we followed the yanks with large lazy petrol engines instead.
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Re: New car suggestions

Post by trufflehunt » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:45 pm

Bailes1992 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:45 am
trufflehunt wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:25 am
Bailes1992 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:08 am


I've come to the conclusion that these days you cannot buy a bad car.
I refer you to your earlier post.
You took what I said completely out of context by deleting half of the quote. I don't appreciate that.
Bailes1992 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:08 am

I've come to the conclusion that these days you cannot buy a bad car. You get a car with faults, and all manufacturers make the occasional Friday afternoon car. But, as a general rule, you cannot go out and buy a car that with care wouldn't do 200k.
Oh.., lighten up. The part I quoted stands up on it's own. It's a straightforward flat statement of opinion.
Any car that has to be returned as unacceptable is a bad car.
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Re: New car suggestions

Post by trufflehunt » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:08 pm

stevewalsh wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:00 am
To replace 1 of our 406 estates
I got a 2009 Mazda 6 Estate with a 2.2 MZR-CD 185HP Diesel, I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy, Nice car to drive but in the past 12 months its had

2 x timing chains, The first one I fitted at 160000 miles as the original was badly stretched, failed under parts warranty after 2000 miles, and I had to fit the second. Not a 2 minute job!!

DPF Failed.......
Back when I was looking for a car ( the search that eventually led to a 406 HDi 110 )... one of the models I checked out
was the Mazda 6. I looked on eBay. More than just a few with blown, or otherwise majorly defective engines. Usually diesels. And also
rust seemed quite common. So I gave Mazda 6's a miss.

Much later, I found that Ford, from 1995 to 2008, had a very large shareholding in Mazda. They had management control, and
the Ford cost-cutting attitude ran all the way through Mazda.

I don't now live in an area where there are lots of taxis. However, as I recall, for example... Citreon BX19 RD's were bulletproof choices
for taxi drivers. As were 406's. I wonder what taxi drivers choose nowadays.
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Re: New car suggestions

Post by Welly » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:10 am

It's official:

The Citroen C5 is the new 406
8)

Are there any C5 with 'interesting' petrol engines?


Also, Bailes I agree totally about Cam Chains! everyone makes a big fuss saying how great they are that they never need changing but the chain stretches over time - just look at the Nissan Navara horrors...

Give me a rubber toothed belt anytime, they're not even that expensive to change, cost me about £150.00 labour at a garage on my 5-cylinder engine.
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Re: New car suggestions

Post by PeterN » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:24 am

I did consider a Mondeo but on investigation these don't seem to have a particularly soft ride either. Nothing else I have ridden except perhaps some '50s cars (Humber Hawk or Snipe particularly) have a ride like the C5 or are so easy to drive. It seems the only chance of a good ride is something on 195/65/15 tyres. My latest 406 has 55/16s and the ride is noticeably harder.

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Re: New car suggestions

Post by Welly » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:24 pm

You're right about tyre sizes, the fashion for larger wheels and less sidewall has come at the same time as our road surfaces worsening......
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Re: New car suggestions

Post by Bailes1992 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:27 pm

One thing I do have to praise Dacia for us the ride quality. Both our Duster and Sandero rode very well and was easily as soft as my 406's.

My Volvo is rock hard, even on 17" wheels. My Fathers new Alfa Giulia is so much softer than my Volvo, it's embarrassing!
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Re: New car suggestions

Post by stevewalsh » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:16 am

Bailes1992 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:41 am
stevewalsh wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:00 am
To replace 1 of our 406 estates
I got a 2009 Mazda 6 Estate with a 2.2 MZR-CD 185HP Diesel, I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy, Nice car to drive but in the past 12 months its had

2 x timing chains, The first one I fitted at 160000 miles as the original was badly stretched, failed under parts warranty after 2000 miles, and I had to fit the second. Not a 2 minute job!!

DPF Failed
Heated seats failed
Rear discs and calipers badly corroded
Rust spots on roof and corrosion coming through in various places
Alternator clutch pulley failed taking out the drive belt, 800 miles from home
Heater flap servo motor failed
Bluetooth module failed
Alarm goes off randomly in warm weather
The list goes on and on
I am now waiting delivery of a front wheel bearing housing, the original has distorted and it drives like its got a buckled wheel.

I need a big estate but don't know what to replace it with.
I would love a new 406 90 hdi,
Timing chain failure is getting more and more common. Unfortunately in the pursuit for low emissions and low fuel consumption oils have got thinner and thinner. The Mazda if I remember correctly uses a 5w30 'C2' oil? If it was mine I would probably be using a *w30 or *w40 meeting ACEA C3 and look for an approval like BMW LL04, Porsche A40, Porsche C30 or VW 504/507. Couple this with extended oil change intervals 12k+ and timing chains just do not last. I'd much rather have a belt that's changed regularly.

Everything else I doubt you could really blame the car for. I bet all of those parts are made by big manufacturers like Bosch, TRW, Aisin etc etc.

You just got a bad'un.
The oil is C1, Mazda no longer recommend their own DPF Oil, !!, I have considered DPF delete, Just sorted the front wheel bearing issue. My only thought on changing cars is that I may end up with another that needs all these problems sorting again.....

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Re: New car suggestions

Post by Bailes1992 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:30 pm

stevewalsh wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:16 am


The oil is C1, Mazda no longer recommend their own DPF Oil, !!, I have considered DPF delete, Just sorted the front wheel bearing issue. My only thought on changing cars is that I may end up with another that needs all these problems sorting again.....
C1 is still a low-HTHS 'fuel economy' oil.

I have no issues with thin oils, I run a 0w20 oil in my Volvo but you're compromising long term longevity for a little better fuel economy.
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Re: New car suggestions

Post by dirtydirtydiesel » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:41 pm

stevewalsh wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:00 am
To replace 1 of our 406 estates
I got a 2009 Mazda 6 Estate with a 2.2 MZR-CD 185HP Diesel, I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy, Nice car to drive but in the past 12 months its had

2 x timing chains, The first one I fitted at 160000 miles as the original was badly stretched, failed under parts warranty after 2000 miles, and I had to fit the second. Not a 2 minute job!!

DPF Failed
Heated seats failed
Rear discs and calipers badly corroded
Rust spots on roof and corrosion coming through in various places
Alternator clutch pulley failed taking out the drive belt, 800 miles from home
Heater flap servo motor failed
Bluetooth module failed
Alarm goes off randomly in warm weather
The list goes on and on
I am now waiting delivery of a front wheel bearing housing, the original has distorted and it drives like its got a buckled wheel.

I need a big estate but don't know what to replace it with.
I would love a new 406 90 hdi,

Thanks for that steve,
I am very sorry for your issue's
I too am looking for my 406 replacement, but I need a bigger more powerfull tow car.
I too had considered a Mazda 6 2.2 diesel sport estate, I have read quite a few horror stories
Seen quite a few on Ebay with broken engines
& now your tail of woe.

E class Merc it is then.

But as Balies said re your cam chain the first had done 160k, it's the replacement that shocked me.
Did you use a genuine part, Mazda did a recall in 2011 & suply a uprated chain .
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