Electric Cars

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Would you buy an electric car

YES - i love the environment
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18%
Suppose so - cheap to run and good in the town for short trips
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No
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27%
Id rather cycle this Peugeot bicycle
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9%
V8 not 8V
5
45%
 
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Re: Electric Cars

Post by FarmerPug » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:17 pm

if you could pull out the batteries and swap them that would be the solution.

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Re: Electric Cars

Post by DaiRees » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:54 pm

No it wouldn't! How are you going to carry a couple of hundred kilos of spare batteries? :roll:
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Re: Electric Cars

Post by mjb » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:48 pm

DaiRees wrote:No it wouldn't! How are you going to carry a couple of hundred kilos of spare batteries? :roll:
One of the ideas I think has been thrown around has been to replace recharging (as in at service stations, not at home) with replacement. Your batteries get slid out and a new tray gets slid in, which the garage then charges separately. If a battery tray standard could be worked out (unlikely) then it should be easy to either have someone at a garage trained to use a trolley to swap packs, or even have a machine do it.

This would be VERY good for the consumer as batteries have a limited lifespan, and changing them could be quicker than filling a tank of petrol. However it ain't going to work because that would mean someone else would end up paying for replacing the battery packs, battery packs would have to be standardised (what about big or performance vehicles? what about innovations in battery technology?) with a standard for fitting, and there's nowhere enough demand at the moment...
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Re: Electric Cars

Post by Doggy » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:51 pm

No chance of calling the AA for some more AA's, then?
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Re: Electric Cars

Post by DaiRees » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:03 pm

mjb wrote:One of the ideas I think has been thrown around has been to replace recharging (as in at service stations, not at home) with replacement. Your batteries get slid out and a new tray gets slid in, which the garage then charges separately. If a battery tray standard could be worked out (unlikely) then it should be easy to either have someone at a garage trained to use a trolley to swap packs, or even have a machine do it.

This would be VERY good for the consumer as batteries have a limited lifespan, and changing them could be quicker than filling a tank of petrol. However it ain't going to work because that would mean someone else would end up paying for replacing the battery packs, battery packs would have to be standardised (what about big or performance vehicles? what about innovations in battery technology?) with a standard for fitting, and there's nowhere enough demand at the moment...
I agree that would be a workable solution of how to make electric cars feasable, but there's still the problem of where the power comes from to recharge those batteries. Unless it's from renewable or sustainable sources then you aren't really gaining anything, just moving the pollution source from one place to another and adding the enormous environmental impact of producing the batteries and disposing of them at end of life.
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Re: Electric Cars

Post by steve_earwig » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:33 pm

What's the life expectancy of these battery packs and the cost of renewal compared to, say, a horse?

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Horse - low initial purchase price (£1,500-2,500), moderate maintenance costs, (vet's bills, suppliments etc.), moderate running costs (grass, straw hay, oats, shoes etc. + £300 a year insurance - total about 1,500 a year), useful waste products (especially if you grow rhubarb), low power (typically 1HP), low speed (top speed 30mph), fair range (100 miles+ in a day), biodegradable.

Battery car - huge initial purchase price (the Mitsi iMiEV, which the Peugeot Iron actually is, costs £38,699), low maintenance (no oil or anything to change), massive running costs (factoring in a battery change), toxic waste products (used batteries that will need expensive disposal/recycling), modest power (Iron = 64bhp), modest speed (Iron top speed = 80mph), poor range (Iron = 80 miles), will require expensive recycling at the end of its life.
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Re: Electric Cars

Post by Welly » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:12 pm

I like horses.
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Re: Electric Cars

Post by steve_earwig » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:44 pm

bur you couldn't eat whole one?
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Re: Electric Cars

Post by Welly » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:41 pm

I'd buy an electric horse for travelling to work, why haven't they thought of that?
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Re: Electric Cars

Post by FarmerPug » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:11 pm

an electric horse that original, patent that idea now quick before someone steals it.

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Re: Electric Cars

Post by Doggy » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:04 pm

Better patent time travel first....

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Re: Electric Cars

Post by rwb » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:43 pm

Look at you posh lot wanting a horse. My boss got a mule for free.

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Re: Electric Cars

Post by steve_earwig » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:37 pm

Can those big tortoises carry people about? I wouldn't mind one of them and they eat kitchen scraps...
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Re: Electric Cars

Post by Doggy » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:54 pm

rwb wrote:Look at you posh lot
We've been accused of many things, but posh? :shock:
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Re: Electric Cars

Post by Busman » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:08 pm

steve_earwig wrote:Can those big tortoises carry people about? I wouldn't mind one of them and they eat kitchen scraps...
What speed would you expect to achieve?
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