Non starting 2.0Hdi

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Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by GingerMagic » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:15 pm

Hi everyone..
Just a quick question.
My friend has a 307 with the 2.0Hdi engine, Bosch system.
I had a message saying that the car won't start, so I popped over today to try to get it going.
It was spinning over fine, but it isn't catching - it's kinda trying but not quite there..

Battery is fine, starter is fine and my laptop is on charge as I type this so I can plug it in tomorrow for a diagnostic.
Can anyone have a think as to what I should check first?
Cheers :cheesy:
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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by GingerMagic » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:16 pm

Just thought, I should check the lift pump - I didn't really think if that at the time.
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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by stevewalsh » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:29 pm

When you turn ignition to on, you should hear fuel pump run for a few seconds

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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by GingerMagic » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:33 pm

Do we know if the lift pump is accessed under the rear seat like the 406?
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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by stevewalsh » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:10 pm

Its been a while since I worked on 1, but i think its under rear seat on right, (behind driver)

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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by Welly » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:17 pm

Thump Tank and listen for grumbly pump noise kicking in?

If it is this then it won't be long before it craps out for good, T-Shirt etc...... :roll:
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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by Doggy » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:54 pm

Make sure it's definitely got a lift pump - don't go off on a wild goose chase like mine....http://www.406oc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f= ... 3&start=15
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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by GingerMagic » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:33 pm

Quick update...
I did a quick diagnostic on the 307, and the only permanent fault was the FAP was overloaded ( even though it was jet washed in November - not my decision!! )
Would this stop the car starting, is there a fail safe in place?

The lift pump works fine, can and crank are in sync, which I guess rules out cam belt failure, and no other faults regarding fuel pressure or coherence....

Battery is flat now though, pfft.
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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by stevewalsh » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:44 pm

Wrong key or chip not working in key ??

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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by Doggy » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:29 pm

A blocked dpf will make it near impossible to start, (found this out when some smartass tried to pass off a tatty 2.2 406 as a 2.0 to my bro - insisted on bringing it round so we wouldn't see the performance he had starting it).
That, combined with the recent low temperature to sap battery power may be your answer.
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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by GingerMagic » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:09 am

Thanks Doggy, I've just made enquiries regarding DPF recalibration - which is the garage removing and remapping at the owners risk...
Normally I would like it sorted properly but short journeys will block it again super quick...
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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by jasper5 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:47 pm

If you want to confirm a blocked dpf is causing the non starting then undo the dpf from the exhaust.

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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by GingerMagic » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:38 pm

Thanks John..
My Peugeot mechanic said to put my hand over the end of the exhaust while it's being cranked over - I should feel a chuff chuff as the car is turning over, or if there is no chuff chuff and slow wheesh when cranking is stopped then that's a pretty good diagnostic for a blocked DPF.

It's about £400 to remove the DPF and remap to suit, which is what the car originally cost - but as it's been brilliant in every other way then I guess it's better the devil you know.
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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by jasper5 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:41 pm

Now then...you've just reminded me, I've had a few exhaust back boxes blocked on the 307 making the car fail to accelerate...the same thing you mentioned applies to the back box.
Personally I would just undo the dpf and allow the car to breathe.

First of all though....try some easy start!

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Re: Non starting 2.0Hdi

Post by GingerMagic » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:22 pm

I hadn't thought of easy start to be honest....
I'll grab some and give it a go - do you think there would be further damage if the DPF is blocked and the car then starts..??

Can you remember if there is one or two cannisters on a 51 plate Hdi 110 307?

There were no DPF warning lights, just PP2000 giving that fault.
1999 T4 family wagon, slow as a turd but the kids like it
2002 Citroen Xsara Picasso Hdi90 - Dirtied by the kids, Dented by the wife....
Sadly sold the 406, best cars I have ever owned
PP2000 user, can help with faults / diagnostics in the Bournemouth area.

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