Starter motor FIXED !!! (with a warning)

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Starter motor FIXED !!! (with a warning)

Post by Archangel » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:22 pm

starter just making clicking noise and not turning over
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Re: Starter motor

Post by steve_earwig » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:48 pm

Turn lights on, try starter:
Lights dim/go out -> check battery connections -> connections ok -> charge battery/replace
Lights stay bright -> check connections -> connections ok -> suspect start motor
Hit starter motor with hammer, put car in gear and rock backwards and forwards and retry -> ok now -> plan to replace starter motor in the not too distant future.
Still no worky -> remove starter motor and check solenoid action and condition of brushes & commutator. You probably can't get spares so it's off down t' breakers.
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Re: Starter motor

Post by sirwiggum » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:11 am

Excellent post.
This should be stickied!
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Re: Starter motor

Post by teamster1975 » Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:14 pm

sirwiggum wrote:Excellent post.
This should be stickied!
I reckon you're right!
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Re: Starter motor

Post by sirwiggum » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:00 pm

It's a handy step by step without having to get the multimeter out!
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Re: Starter motor

Post by swiss » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:26 am

And it's pitched right at my level of competence ^_^


Plus I liked the bit about the hammer
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Re: Starter motor

Post by Archangel » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:33 pm

yes ,very succinct but: a) no room to swing hammer and hit starter as you can see

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b)) but anyway starter has been replaced ( I have a mechanic next door but one ) and all is now well (thank god )

first 2 points on list tried first anyway and mechanic ( Hans ) had already told me that starter was suspect so had bought replacement from local factor (LVW Senar ) top notch factor (birkenhead, ellesmere port , flint , wrexham ) for those in my area . Starting is so noticeably better !!

Also note that electrical connectors can be different ( i.e. spade connector instead of nut and washer (and vice versa )
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Re: Starter motor FIXED !!!

Post by daniel » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:12 pm

PLEASE BEWARE EVERYONE. Do not hit a starter motor. A lot of modern starter motors have perminent magnets which are bonded to the inside of the starter motor and are quite fragile to impacts. If you hit them you are at risk of causing these magnets to break up and jam the whole motor solid. I know this from previous experience as I used to strip and fix starter motors as a job. You have been warned.

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Re: Starter motor FIXED !!!

Post by steve_earwig » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:41 pm

Thanks for the heads up!
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Re: Starter motor FIXED !!!

Post by teamster1975 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:53 pm

I've been using a persuader on mine for the last year or so, I'd better knuckle down and replace it! :supafrisk:
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Re: Starter motor FIXED !!! (with a warning)

Post by STALLED » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:20 am

Yep - usually the solenoid which will not engage - hence the clicking noise!

Options are:

1) Carry a breaker bar with you and give it some persuasion every time it won't start -

2) Pay money and get a new one.

I did the latter... :cheesy:
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Re: Starter motor FIXED !!! (with a warning)

Post by Archangel » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:33 pm

STALLED wrote:Yep - usually the solenoid which will not engage - hence the clicking noise!

Options are:

1) Carry a breaker bar with you and give it some persuasion every time it won't start -

2) Pay money and get a new one.

I did the latter... :cheesy:
option is temporary as persuasion leads to option 2 because of damage to permenant magnets in starter

btw went for option 2 anyway and had nice mobile mechanic who`s a neighbour do the dirty work while I was at work
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1997 1.9 TD GLX Estate Black XUD9TE " Norma " now sold

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Re: Starter motor FIXED !!! (with a warning)

Post by exec406 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:56 am

If you notice your starter motor starting to 'labour' it's time to change it before you get stranded somewhere. Couldn't believe the difference when I changed my Valeo starter motor with a new Bosch one.

Not only a diferent sound but much quicker start.
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Re: Starter motor FIXED !!! (with a warning)

Post by daesal » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:49 pm

hello all. good forum here. my mate just got a pug 406 and seeing as i live next door and got the tool kit it seemed like a good thing to join ye all...
anyway starter, this pug had a starter problem. changed glow plugs-still had problem. persuaded it a few times then went and got new starter now all starting fine EXCEPT the Anti Pollution Warning is coming on and it is driveing in "safe mode" (how driving at 2500rpm with a car full of kids is safe i don't know but...). anyone else had this happen? is there anything obvious we did wrong or something knocked. The car also had a full service down the friendly garage 20miles before this but drove back fine so i assume we messed up somewhere?

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Re: Starter motor FIXED !!! (with a warning)

Post by daesal » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:15 pm

update- there was something obvious we did wrong. didn't connect the intercooler intake pipe exactly right.it was only mm's out but took it off reconnected it and all is good.happy days

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